11/14 Bauerle and Bellavia Hour 2: Cheektowaga French and Union Road Shooting Coverage

Bauerle and Bellavia
Tuesday, November 14th

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News radio 930 WBA. And it's. It's Tom Bauerle you know what's been there done that and it's weird you're. But now you know you guys I'm sorry I'm a grown up in David Bellamy let's shoot anyone agrees with the today. I would doubt that David it's the hourly and they'll be I think I'm living in real bill I think I'm living in reality land it on news radio 930 WB. L it is but that's after four for thirty WB in it and develop it. So David with weakness at the news conference by assistant chief of police dude James spider are using the my source was wrong. Well my source was wrong. Thank you for not saying that. But if you buy them are source LeBron. We we make it very clear what is substantiated information what may be a fact yet what we reasonably believed to be back now I was wrong though. That's the things that sometimes sources are wrong in the heat of the moment right went through about it but it was an idea what would look here's what we found out I'm going. Well where's bill. Trying to find out more from two regular salad were still at the very preliminary. Stages of the investigation but. Just about 3 PM. There's shooting at Dollar General there was some altercation apparently between two men. One man was shot outside the store with what I believed to be on life threatening injuries the suspect in the shooting was arrested at the scene and suffered an injury but the kind of injury suffered by the suspect we'd oh well we don't know it was an injury. It was a punishing injury a shooting injury stabbing and we have no idea I'll look at it that I can fault and twisted his shoulder while we feel but. The suspect was in custody is in custody and suffered some kind of injury the nature of the injury we do not know we do not know but he cops discharged weapons we just don't know. We don't and the way I'd be out law enforcement has got to do there and investigations that make any comment about. What the injury was occurred about heart attack for all we know. It could be anything against anything they say colleges can be used in court a place that watched everything they do right and that's one of the reasons why you're you're gonna see police vehicles there for awhile because. They need to process the crime scene. It's a very long and arduous process you'll get one chance to you're right and if the weather looks at all on mr. threatening him shooting did take place outside the store according to the police briefing you know you've got X number of hours or perhaps in some cases minutes where you can do the comprehensive crimes valuation and you know make sure you get all fingerprints make sure you get all GIS are make sure you get all that stuff documented report mother nature makes it more difficult. Out of the put it up over the shootings at this point again it's one of those things we just don't. The other thing is that he's the the chief of police imagine Cheektowaga had mentioned that the RD looked at video. So he's already has his eyes physically on video heated nor the source came couldn't you know he wasn't sure where it came from but he's already looking at video. That's a pretty good I think that's an open and shut. Circumstance if you've got a person in custody you're looking at the video Dave this a pretty good day for. Law enforcement what are the could have been horrible. So it we have no idea or getting into but no one of the issues right now like cardinals to close is that one of the canine officers at the scene got a hit or. Indicated to use human partner that there was. Something triggering. A response to a possible explosive. In a vehicle that David if fighters and canine training. An explosive could be anything from left over residue from a gunshot to. Two. A spark inside the car well I mean. These dogs have been known to it to make mistakes but but the reason why do we just learned with the officer leaner. These dogs are not cheap I mean these are very expensive dogs it date you know where they come from how they're raised. And how keen they are. It must have been something alarming enough to it needs some sort of a radius of a buffer zone. But. You know what could be possibly yeah they're. Here kid you don't the could be fertilizer to their to be fuel in the car. And you know sometimes these dogs react differently we don't know but eyewitness I assume that I tuna can man dead. All right now what this guy says he sought the incident unfold it said Tom in Pendleton a WBE. And Tom give us sort of your story what's gonna. So I'm sitting in the parking lot waiting for my mother and sister to come out of the store. And I see this. Guys black day. As an altercation with a woman in the doorway. Hand. She comes out this story needs follows her in the Spitzer again. And she. Was really shook up its since Kirk prior. And take. Next Fandango. This guy's walking back towards store what a a rifle. And. What we're kind of rifle that looked like well. Show. Should OK but he is definitely look like a black Republican like eight yard type. Okay. Were there. Should write but it was a variant like that. Well but it was shooting I think vehicles to turn around okay tree right. So are. There was but gentlemen going into the store. And this great turns around the mean that gentleman turned around and says the the I with a gun. Like hopefully we need to win. But the guy pushes him max's born out of his hand. And pushes them again. And then decade goes around the other vehicle in the front to pick up the phone. And I certainly hearing gunfire. So. I think him I didn't see worry we shouldn't but the hard to gores felt for me to windows got X windows got blown out of that. So let me just like catch everyone up to what your rock claiming you saw you were outside the Dollar General. I waited for failing memory finish shopping. Yes I was sitting in my parent my mother's parents waiting for them to come out. You saw an African American male I get into an altercation with any African American female. No and get an all these world white woman to begin with an okay wait Mayo. There and one. So your saying that the the person that came back around the corner with the gun was white or black. The the black male who who've gotten the altercation with the white female. Was the one that came back with a rifle. And he was stopped by a white male that came from the store. Don't know whether the white male was going into the store. And said what are you doing with a gun. So over your shoulder and seeing them. I approaching them with a gun. Some play to win. Right and then whose cell phone got knocked out. The white guy going into the store. Okay his phone got knocked out of the sand. Don took a swing at him. And smacked the ball nervous and it and I thought and shoot them but that's really anyways so there we hear gunfire going off. How many rounds did you hear. All. In the beginning probably about. Six maybe seven Tibetan people around the side of the building to try to get over it. It was probably 1520 feet in front I mean you know sit there and it's like regular you write anything it'll turn over you know we no longer need the history ago. Lekkerkerker adding here's the best thing and so I drove around the corner of the eighties it was next to me she drove around and Reese. There. And we capturing more and more gunfire. And that we've heard the police errors common. And would probably. Ten minutes later the police were around the corner so we figured they'd probably say. You know while front again. We went back out front part and that's what I noticed that he shut the the doors for the quality. Dollar General. What a bunch around in the bill in the doors. Now I never saw him away the store you know with the what chat but we weren't there right I just told you what I saw. Did use did you see the shooter injured. Any time. No no no because. Also we come around the corner and the absurd if he's there to be arrogant driveway if there was still there so they so we must to chase them. And that's when they they caught up with him down the road a little piece. But he wasn't limping or bleeding before that. Although it was it was a perfect physical shape despair where. And you didn't hear anymore gunshots after that. Know that once he left the scene and then started taking off bound union. We do we begin here anymore venture. So the only gunshots you heard where was was the assailant to a shooting at the victim. The only gone wait the only wherever whether the shooter shoot them up on just bishop of the car which human. Sporadic Leo over its being. And you know it wasn't sure what you wish net until. Any change a magazine. Didn't see if we were we were backgrounds around the corner when. And how many rounds you think he fired. Out. And what was their pauses in between them. Oh yep yep yeah okay what it was like he was just. Prospering and well look it is but he wasn't me it was it was crazy it was like. Well this police. We gotta take what we have to take a break Tom but this is Amanda says he's an eyewitness says to the shooting at the Dollar General. And Tom. I know. That we are gonna have some police officers listening who are going to want to us to work get your name off here and your telephone never recur as you are a witness in every serious criminal case. Okay security on the record as a witness. OK that's great it is wanna make sure because. It's is very important in a situation like this to make sure that you do have are witnesses to back up the of the video. We we want you to I give us some more information Tom about what you say you sew up. In Cheektowaga. At the Dollar General approach on hold a news radio 930 WBE at. Now this individual Tom in Pendleton who has given us information to police because he is a witness in a a criminal situations so they are aware of how to get to in touch with him according to Tom in Pendleton so you work. In a vehicle in the parking lot. At the Dollar General. Shore watching. A black guy and a white woman are leaving the Dollar General and appear to have some kind of an altercation. In the doorway when you say altercation. Did the mail strike the female with a fist or hand at that point. Yeah. Okay because vet and after a few feet as they were further away from the store the mail hit the female again. Did the female go down. Was it like a fist and punch. When. Our shot over a punch that show him more of a show was it to the shoulder area to the head area. Providing. OK so you are seeing this guy and this woman getting into an altercation you witnessed the woman shoved it. Twice she was shot and not punched in the doorway of the Dollar General. But that's way better investor what you wanna call it. Okay but it didn't look like a you know an upper cutter something like that it was more of a shove a poor. That auto as a domestic. Correct and but the benefit one. You you can just for expression when she was turning it way it's. So he. The woman who had been that shoved or you know physically molested by this guy twice and I don't mean in the other sense but she gets into her vehicle and drives away. The mail all walks to his vehicle and gets a rifle. One rifle. Okay the male gets the two. Did you notice anything unusual about the clothing worn by the guy who went back to the car to get the rifle after striking the woman twice. You have. Baseball. Sleepy play it. Jack that are sure bet they'll just a regular. I don't there was not then. Under the proper what I saw it. Nothing to indicate that he was wearing body armor now okay. So the suspect after grabbing a rifle then goes back in the direction of the Dollar General. At which point a male a white male asks the guy with a rifle what are you doing. Is that correct yeah. The guy with a rifle ban swat it takes a swipe at the guy who asked him what he was doing. Knocking the guy cellphone out of his hand correct. The guy whose cell phone have been knocked out of his hand it goes to retrieve this cellphone by walking behind a car away from the guy with a rifle correct. Okay at what point. Is it indeed did you see the guy who had his cell phones like out of this and by the guy with a rifle is he the individual who was shot in the shoulder. I don't know. Back at terminals saying no doubt play away because the there was. An ambulance came there but there was nobody was nobody wish. In in the store or around the store. Allotment of I would assume though because that's the thing. So now after weeks. Started hearing got a lawyer we try to get out of there with some boat with papers by and that's when we heard the rest of us firing. I'm not sure what happened to the guy who got himself pulled back that it does and. BER because beat the chief said the shooting took place outside the Dollar General that's what the assistant chief said today in his in his news briefing. But what you're saying here is very alarming because in total you're telling us that you. Heard twenty to thirty round is going off is that correct. Well could have been fifteen when there are a lot of it was good. You know I didn't count but there was there was a lot of a lot of vote. How familiar are you with firearms and what a gunshot sounds like. Well I got to shut got a point to. Okay see you're you're not a novice with firearms you know the difference between a gunshot and a backfired. Or that. The boost to shell casings were over the all the ground when I went after the hole and minute that we just been around. You witnessed the suspects playing cars in the parking lot and also putting rounds through the door of the Dollar General is a correct. Shaq be shout one terror. That I know. And he put a bunch around in the front door of this the store. So the question is in you're not gonna know the activists was the individual who shot the guy who got a cellphone knocked out of his hand. Or was it to somebody who was in the Dollar General at that point. At no point Tom but you told us where your mother and family members were. You you were waiting for them in the car outside the Dollar General were they inside the Dollar General when this was all going down outside. What did they tell you about what happened inside. My sister told that the what and who did an application. This year. And my guess is he will not get hired an important pictures that you have to do would nine. We don't take application this way nets when he's there it upped that. Quarry and my sister that there I didn't I didn't see any of that I just saw him this way probably in the doorway and then block who's. Vehicles for word. That it be woman in the doorway in that she went into a vehicle and exited before the individual grabbed a rifle. Is it your belief that she was a customer and not an employee of Dollar General. OPEC. Tom can hold after the news break. Okay. Hey it's it's not like I've got I got to pass up and I'm. To you. Would do not clear yet what we're gonna do off the year but before before I put you on hold I don't wanna sever Yuba we have some information we need to give you that's very very important OK so. We need to put you on hold. We're gonna talk you off there. And don't go anywhere just there Poland very very important that we get a message to. It is I wanna point out to those just joining us the caller did tell us that he has already given his information to be Cheektowaga police. Obviously. They need the information. And they need obviously eyewitnesses to what to what happened. And I will tell you for guy who was serve. But forgot who says he was at the scene of this. And he witnessed all this unfolding in front of his eyes as an amateur hurts a layman. He's doing a tremendous job in that recounting via the situation fret we weren't hanging up on him we wanted to talk more to him after the break. Ali Abdullah if we're at thirty WBE. And we're gonna go right now to attempt Langer who is at the scene of the should of the shooting at Dollar General object to log and the we're gonna go back to Tom an eyewitness to grab and the first here's Tim Winger with an update from -- seen him. Atomic can tell you that it's still just a massive investigation continues here. If the Dollar General and directly across the street from it rate now in the Erie county sheriff's bomb squad is now. Poking around the vehicle in the parking lot so they're still being very careful about that a lot of police presence behind the Dollar General. If you don't know the the area is situated right off of union rode in were just south of French in front of the old pretty large. Garden village plaza which is now defunct and enter. Some sort of massive construction right now but that right across from the olive branch restaurant that's where this is all taking place. They've ever so slowly. Reduced the closure of union road union is. Completely blocked steal it will be for sometime to come. Right at the intersection of French but they're moving via the south perimeter. A little bit further north of Clinton street right now but obviously being very guarded about the investigation. Lots of police presence right in the parking lot of the Dollar General. Obviously that story is in now vacant ever since his shooting took place around 3 o'clock this afternoon. And now we're learning a lot more from years here current Kyrgyzstan yours well. What. That's right that's a voice of Tim linger from WB and he's actually I just outside the scene of where this took place. And we have on on our live line we actually have Tom from Pendleton who I've claims to have bin there. And give is giving ID tale that is just aptly fantastic Tom we appreciate colony. We're gonna get back to Tom in just a moment Tim the the caller that we're speaking with talked about basically a flurry of shots anywhere from a low of fifteen all the way to thirty rounds. That puts a little different speed and on the news conference that we heard earlier. This that's awful lot of a brass to be on the ground. Yeah I'll say time and when I asked assistant to expire when he was. Trying to walk away from the media whether there were any officers it needed discharged their weapons. He just looked at me and he said there's more to come at 6 o'clock so if there was that kind of gunfire I would imagine it's something. You know more than what he told us his transpired that. He'd be he would there at all and that aspect of the story when he left the briefing just a little bit ago our attempt thank you were very much now Tom. Is an eyewitness to what happened to Cheektowaga. At in this whole thing is. It is you know it's pointing more and more in the direction David I think of what could have been a mass shooting major catastrophe in Western New York. When you consider the number of rounds if what Thomas saying is true we have no reason to doubt Tom. This guy it was just indiscriminately spraying rounds everywhere. Now let's just set the stage for those of you just joining Tom was in his eye his mom's car in the parking lot outside the Dollar General union in French about 3 o'clock today. He witnesses a black man leaving Dollar General with a white woman. There is some kind of physical altercation where the man made some physical show but or Porsche or possibly punched toward the woman. They continued walking a few feet more for the store at which point demand. Pet a physical altercation of some kind with the woman again. The woman who apparently was a customer Dollar General gets into her vehicle and drives away. The black male goes to a vehicle and gets you rifle and starts walking toward Dollar General. A white man asks the guy hey what are you doing. Seeing a guy approaching a store with a rifle in 27 team he says what are you doing or words to that effect. The guy with the rifle then swipes the phone like Gary it's the phone. Out of the guy's hand the phone ends up landing several feet away from the guy who'd been following the guy with a rifle who then goes behind a vehicle to retrieve. His cellphone. The man with a rifle. Then starts to do what Tom. The supplier of rightful. Asked. I'm not sure worthy. Work he was shooting and the first thing I noticed salute when we see. Her two horsepower for me at the windows bare windows blown out. So you're trying to figure out where you're gonna duck for cover under the steering column that you find out later from your mother and your sister who were in the store. That the suspect had gone into the store wanted to file a job application which told that that was only done online and at that point became argumentative can you give us any more details on what happened inside the store. Not really no I wasn't there if I can your sister or mother I give us a call. Our. I imagine it could put the you know the. Arianna if you can call them what were done we would certainly appreciate that because we're trying to put this puzzle together as best as we can. And what it would startling about your count is that there were. A low you say a fifteen all the way too high of thirty rounds used say you heard spotted. And when you look at the pictures at the Bauerle ability of FaceBook page you will see a number of indicators. The crime scene people apparently have left there where the brass bell. Upon his discharge her from what we would presume would be area semi automatic rifle. Our caller says is up point 223 shells I do you know that. I don't I know that yes. I was. I accepted the sort of pleased these troops who was. Because about 23. Well I wasn't sure going to mirror and food that it was 22. It'll something. Right in the military they're 556. 223 is this really counterpart after Easterbrook quick question you you mentioned. That you decided that you were gonna go to the side of the building. And ended when you've got to decide the building if there was you said there was no real loading so. As far as the at an ammunition that was spent. I'm out. I didn't see any collateral when he was world order in order. OK so but there could have been theoretically the pauses in mentioning. I'm always tell you what I saw I can't I can't. But here. Are not hate talk I really appreciate you doing this and by the way I mean that's you're you're lucky to be alive and I think he showed great just. You win your first thought to get outline a fire. Was a very Smart move because hagee state where you were you might have been in the crossfire. Well my first thought was. Was brought in the go up. They you know what I wish I was originality. Yeah if not I wasn't that what is it you don't know what the circumstances but yet no that was definitely an option if if it came to it. Are you were in the driver's seat of the passenger seat. Driver's seat pocket earlier you mentioned trying to duck under the steering column for some reason I'm vision you're sitting in the passenger seat. As far as your mom and your sister in the store or what is going on in your mind you see this guy. With a rifle you have seen him fight the rightful. And that he's going toward the store in which you say your mother and your sister were both shopping what are you thinking. Well no I didn't fees going towards store. Would when he started shooting we decided to get out of there. So we drove around the side. And then we kept hearing gunfire. When we went back around to the front of the building after was all over. That's what I noticed that he shut out the front door. When you say week hedge your mom and sister rated back to the car by them. You the woman there was parked next to me we both ended up. Alongside each other. Are talking about the situation. Your mom and your sister when that they caught up with you again outside the car can you maybe put us in the picture Rivera because they've just been through quite an ordeal what was said. All my motors early circular she's got to go home she's 94. Well. How much your sister my sister was the one told me that the date payment for application. It was anything said about what they were doing during the time round your being fired into the Dollar General. Well my mother says they were at towards the back of the store. So. You know a venture haven't I'm not really sure what. What the year. What they. To what do you attribute you were being so call. Yes. Oh listen I'm you predict a crazy day Tom a crazy day and and I think you know we talk all about all the training that people want people who do active shooting training everything else. You did everything that they are teaching us how to deal. I mean it was instinctively you did everything the right way you. You've got away from the situation to make sure your loved ones were taking care of that you were in a position to use your car's a weapon that you need to make that choice. Well thank you to it was a very. Scary. Three or four minutes whatever was. And I can't imagine if elegant eternity Tom if you could please ask your sister to give us a call we would really like to talk to her to help us put this piece together OK Tom thank you so much. The patient very much Tom and Pendleton we have another eyewitness who wants to talk was but let's go to Tim like your location a WB yet. That time they continued to really very carefully go through this this vehicle the small black vehicle in the parking lot. Just outside the the Dollar General got a completely. You know safety garb Erie county sheriff's bomb squad technician it is just. Very meticulously poking. Through the exterior of a vehicle in the parking lot. You know we don't know exactly what they're looking for obviously this concerns of an explosive device of some some nature. That he's just it's one individual one bomb squad technician he's been just moving around this vehicle. In not so much inside the car. Put outside of the car and we've seen no activity in two out of the dollar general's son venture of all of the investigators that are involved in any interior. Portion of the investigation are inside the store the shooting is as we've reported and you have extensively obviously happening outside. Of the store in a large police command post is still in place immediately behind. The Dollar General and in union wrote remains blocked off in the cereal -- office police activity. Continues to unfold so there's still an awful lot of mystery less after you're your eyewitness collar but it. Of the bomb squad technician now is that kind of quickly moving away from the vehicle in and headed back. To the command post at this point so. We've seen this a few times over the past twenty minutes or so. Right thank you Tim Weiner reporting from the scene it has hourly and let's go to Alphonso Williams OW via. Alfonso your broccoli Adobe and are you these same Alfonzo this sent us a photos via. Yes Alphonso thank you very much for showing us those photos it appears that you were on what side of Dollar General at the time this thing went down. So I was on. Third and bill are we sorely. Behind the building. So you turn off the union turn on Gergen bill right right behind our general there with a storage facility and then behind there is. It is where. Columbia workforce is located at. So so it appears that when you've got to the scene it was probably after that there was a large police presence when you were there. Well not when I doctors noted is that with. Really badly shaken up right now what this whole thing yeah Gordon witnessed two of actual guys shooting but this is what happened. So I derived. I drive. You are aware house pretty much every paperwork to pick up dot com and pretty much probably suited I would be who he carried a four times a week I stop at that Dollar General and I side. You might not or. It's maximum. Force snapped yep yeah so. No it usually black hole and made me make like that second decision whether Dominic go their first. Or go to where are you at the viewing in granite on the way out so in this case. I'm pulling and I'm on pulling people want on guard bill trying to drive past the parking lot and I depend on goatee he could. Pick the word out. And at that saved you from being in the crossfire from potentially. Add to the media that illegally capital I I to roll I like I article about a hundred yards. Parked my car get out. And I and it now I know gunfire I don't know what it was I think I heard I'm like I'm. That's fine that's why did you did you so did you didn't hear gunfire or you just didn't recognize. Or I heard I didn't know what it was okay heard you know what sounded like gunfire but I'm thinking okay. Fireworks why would you ever think you heard it here gone. Exactly it's a totally irrational thing to think that you're hearing in a semi automatic rifle fire. I had no idea what what it's like you really think they're idiotic so I walked into the into into the building I was in there about. And then five minutes maybe right and it I come out and I see all the cops are just flying. Right to the scene hey Alfonso Ricky got hold because I really wanna hear more he's another eyewitness to the shooting today at the Dollar General. Off union wrote in Cheektowaga and that Tom. What we're gonna. Let me deal we're gonna go to break and that we got to currency we've got news coming up at five and also coming up later we're gonna replace in foal. Our conversation with Tom was outside the store who has given us the best description so far. What he sought taking place the Cheektowaga police news conference is coming up. At 6 o'clock you'll hear it live a news radio 930 WB eat and but we also. Some information from a caller. Named Tom from Pendleton that I was pretty sure it's amazing it was great background to work to what's going on news radio 930 WB.